Anonymous. That's interesting. Most of the book on the net. It is the same as the original except the number of the pages have been altered on the net page 158 is 154.. There is still no mention of an 1/8 of a turn on one or any of the steps. Where you are making a mistake is you are taking the line of the feet as being the alignment of the body. If you take as an example a Lock Step in the Quickstep. The feet are pointing diag to wall whilst the body should be facing between the wall and diag to wall so that contact with the partner is kept.
On step one of the Promenade after the Whisk in the Waltz. Travelling diag to centre the feet will be not on the same line as the body
Once again. The turn of the feet the 1/8 which you are concerned with is not mentioned because there is no turn of the body on that step. It is the body that we have to be concerned with and Alex in his infinite wisdom didn't think anybody would think otherwise. So endeth the lesson. You can close your books now.

"There is still no mention of an 1/8 of a turn on one or any of the steps."

Look at the diagram and you will clearly see it. In Ballroom Dancing the text description does not break down the turn per step for this figure; in other volumes such as the ISTD book it is broken down and that same 1/8 turn seen in the diagram in Ballroom Dancing is explicitly stated in the text.

"Where you are making a mistake is you are taking the line of the feet as being the alignment of the body."

No, I am taking the alignment of the feet as being the alignment of the FEET. The alignment of the body is not necessarily the same as that, but it is also not relevant to the fact that turn exists, because "TURN" IS MEASURED BETWEEN THE FOOT ALIGNMENTS, NOT IN THE BODY.

"Once again. The turn of the feet the 1/8 which you are concerned with is not mentioned"

Wrong, it is mentioned. There is officially 1/8 turn on that step, precisely because of the 45 degree change in foot alignment.

"because there is no turn of the body on that step."

Body alignment is not a factor in "turn".

"It is the body that we have to be concerned with and Alex in his infinite wisdom didn't think anybody would think otherwise."

You could not be more wrong. The book is written largely about the foot postions, and NOT ABOUT THE BODY. To quote from the explanation of the amounts of turn:

"It should be noted that the amount of turn is measured from the positions of the feet, which is a little disconcerting at first. It would appear to be easier to take the amount of turn from where the body is facing, but in practice this becomes even more complicated".

There you have it - turn is measured in the feet, NOT THE BODY, and it's refusal to grasp this that is behind so many of your mistaken comments.

Anonymous. Show me where on a Weave following a Whisk it is written that on step one there is an 1/8 of a turn.
A Quote straight from the book.
Amount of Turn.
Make three eighths of a turn to the left between 2 and 4
And a quarter to the left between 5 and 6
This is how it was written 73 years ago and you have in the windmills of your mind have added another 1/8th.
Do you see any turn written for step i or 4..Either following an Open Imetus or a Whisk. Where have you seen an 1/8th of a turn written for step 1. Step 1 is straight without any turn. That's what it has been saying for the past 73 years.

"Anonymous. Show me where on a Weave following a Whisk it is written that on step one there is an 1/8 of a turn."

Answer of August 27:

"Look at the diagram and you will clearly see it. In Ballroom Dancing the text description does not break down the turn per step for this figure; in other volumes such as the ISTD book it is broken down and that same 1/8 turn seen in the diagram in Ballroom Dancing is explicitly stated in the text."

August 26: "To quote the ISTD book, it says under amounts of turn "1/8 between preceding step and 1""

August 26: "There is in fact 1/8 turn into step one for the man when the weave from promenade follows a whisk. That's the change you will see in your footprint diagram from DC at the end of the whisk to the first step of the weave being placed aligned squarely to the center."

Anonymous. I don't have the ISTD book. Or Guy Howard's. You might copy exactly what it says from the book that you have.
I have been told by a competing highly placed International that there is no turn if CBMP is being applied.I was told not to curve it even slightly. It is straight. It is in CBMP intil the end of the step.
If there was a turn on step one in Promenade it wouldn't be in CBMP would it.

"Anonymous. I don't have the ISTD book. Or Guy Howard's."

You really should get them, as it would do a lot to clear up some of your misreadings of Moore's book.

"You might copy exactly what it says from the book that you have."

Already done for you - TWICE. See the messages of earlier today and yesterday.

"I have been told by a competing highly placed International that there is no turn if CBMP is being applied.I was told not to curve it even slightly. It is straight. It is in CBMP intil the end of the step."

This is true when CBMP is used on its own.

And it is true that CBM is not used to CREATE a CBMP placement of the moving foot.

However there are numerous situations where CBM and CBMP occur on the same step. Failing to understand the existence of these has been a persistent problem of yours for a couple years now, and we've been over it many times in the past. To take the most basic example, a natural turn commenced outside partner will have CBM and also step into CBMP.

Perhaps the key to understanding these is that the CBMP is set up by the conditions before the start of the step. Regardless if you then choose to dance a figure that has CBM or one that doesn't, it has already been pre-deteremined that the first step will land in CBMP either way.

The case where the CBMP coincides with not just CBM, but actual turn on the first step is a bit more unusual, but the weave from promenade is a good example. In this case there is turn on step one, but the man will not have CBM since the turn is in the opposite direction from the sort that could be called CBM. His partner will of course have CBM.

You should pay carefully attention though to the fact that neither CBM (which is body rotation) nor "turn" (which is foot rotation) imply "curve". Curve can only occur when the direction of travel changes, and the diagrams will clearly show that in these cases it does not change until later in the figure, despite the turn on step 1.

"If there was a turn on step one in Promenade it wouldn't be in CBMP would it."

No, it still would be CBMP, because ALL PROMENADE STEPS OF THE INSIDE LEG ARE INTO CBMP. Regardless if there is or isn't turn. I'd refer you again to the quoted passage of the ISTD book, or the digram in Moore, which both specify 1/8 turn on the first step, and that the first step goes into CBMP.

Will you ever learn?

Anonymous. I had a look at the IDSF technique book. The one on which this person I know passed her teaching exams.
You know as well as I do it doesn't say there is any turn on step one on the first step into a Weave from a Promenade Position, which in this case is following a Whisk.. I wondered why you wouldn't print the text. I suggest you read it again and write exactly what is written.

The turn into a Weave from PP preceded by whisk is 1/8 between the preceding step (3 of whisk) and 1, body turns less. 1 is placed in CBMP (like any other PP step), and there is no CBM on 1, but on 2.

As a footnote to the recent bickering over whether there is turn for man in the whisk, of course where a weave from PP is to follow, it is the man who turns the whisk out into PP.

Telemark. At least you did read correctly. When you spotted that the turn of the feet occurs before step one is taken. It would not be possible to do a Reverse Weave after a Whisk unless the feet are in position. As I said there is no turn on a step that is in CBMP which step one is. Step two has the CBM along with step five. Four is in CBMP and is straight.
Amounts of Turn. 3/8ths of a turn to the left between 2 and 4 and a 1/4 between 5 and 6.
Do you observe that 1 and 4 according to these instructions have no turn and are in CBMP.

Hi, Polished,

/* As I said there is no turn on a step that is in CBMP */

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